Racist Pedophiles Run Amuck

A friend of mine made a blog post in which he attempted to evince the arbitrary nature of a theist's morality by asking the question: if the bible were silent on the matter of homosexuality, would you still consider it intrinsically sinful?

A reply came from someone named Seth:

What morality isn't based on the voice of an authority? How can there be any absolute morality outside of revealed truth? I would argue all morality (for the Christian) is based on the voice of authority.

As for homosexuality, no, if the Bible didn't condemn it, neither would I. Same goes for adultery, rape, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc. Yet, all these things are condemned based upon our Creator's design for humanity and the gift of sexuality.

I mean REALLY? He can't see what's wrong with rape, incest, and pedophilia without the bible? He would rape children, or allow them to be raped if it weren't for the bible? What kind of monster is this guy? Anyway, if the only reason he doesn't rape children is because god has commanded against it, then he's in luck: there is no direct injunction against pedophilia in the bible.

It frightens me to think about the number of full grown adults who have apparently not developed past the most infantile stages of moral development.

The fact that he lump homosexuality with rape, incest, pedophilia and bestiality is evidence to how poorly his reasoning skills have developed, thanks in part to his dependence on the bible for morality. Homosexuality is unlike these other things because it is a relationship between consenting adults. With the possible exception of incest, the other things he mentioned are non-consensual, and thus an infringement on the rights of another living being (and there's no concept of rights in the bible, by the way). As for incest, the problem is the danger of conceiving a child with congenital defects (which is unfair to the child).

What he's basically done is say "I don't like homosexuality", and so he lumped it together with things that people regard as criminal in the hopes that we would likewise regard homosexuality as criminal. What if someone didn't like black people? Would the Christian not see a gap in reasoning if theysomeone likened black people to rapists and pedophiles?

Maybe they wouldn't. After all, for years the bible had been used to justify the enslavement of Africans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

More Fun with Facebook. 9/11 Style

The following is an interesting Facebook post and related comments regarding 9/11. The initial post was by my friend Sara who has a knack for saying things that piss people off. What ensued was a verbal confrontation between soldiers and civilians, conservatives and liberals, Americans and, well, more Americans.

I have abbreviated the last names of all the participants (except me) to protect their identities. Needless to say, almost every comment is to be read with [sic] after it :)

Sara S. IS going to forget it is 9/11 tomorrow just to piss everyone off who keeps saying "let's not forget".

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    Jodi V Really?!?!?!? How can u say that.

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    Sara S.

    I'm not saying it wasn't a tragedy. It truly was. But what's more is the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afganis that have been murdered since then as a result. The same ppl who push for "moments of silence" for American lives never seem to remember the wars and devastation faced by others internationally. So until those same ppl regard Arab, African, Asian (ect) with the same respect I cannot take their Days of Remebrance seriously. Just sayin'. So if we are going to remember and be silent, let's do so inclusively of the myriads of great tragedies that have occurred as a result of 9/11.

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    Jodi V. So the innocent people who were murdered because they hate America isn't worth your time. That's is sad Sara. If you forgot my husband was one of those soliders over there fighting for our freedom that we have here. I will be one of these Americans that proudly stand for our freedom. Sorry you feel the way you do

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    Josh V. Glad you so quickly over look the 4,000 plus American soldiers that have so willingly given there life for your right to speak your mind! You carry your buddies body parts back to the truck and bag him up then talk to me about what you know about these innocent Muslim fucks! I can't believe anyone with the rights and freedoms this country has provided for them would support the enemy in this manner.

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    Holly B. that's nearly the opposite of what sara was trying to point out, jodi. she wants innocent people to be spared, and mourned for when they suffer-regardless of their nationality. it's not the recognition of this tragedy, it's the disregard for equal and greater tragedy that frustrates her. make sense?

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    Holly B. i'm so sorry you went through that josh. that's horrifying. but th truth is (and the truth is often hard to admit) that is what happens in war, and that is what you willingly signed up for, and it's sad that it has made you consider innocent civilians as "fucks."

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    Eric Fridrich Sara, how dare you exercise the freedoms that were guaranteed to you by our fighting a war with England 234 years ago.

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    Josh V.

    Have any of you been to Iraq or Afganistan??? Do you see the the thousands of of children and the many many families we give cash money, medical aid, food, SECURITY and the education we provide for any and all who request it??? The liberal media has brain washed so many of you un educated, deceived "Americans" it makes me sick. You all sit here under the protection of our government and talk shit. If you support them so much then go over there and join them. Oh wait, you probably don't want to end up decapitated like the other true Americans that tried to help the local nationals. I have MANY Iraqi friends from when I was over there and truly feel sorry for their situation. Did we forget that Saddam brutally murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people??? Unfortunatly inocent lives will be lost in war, but as you said Holly, " that's what happens in war.". Despite what CNN tells you Iraqis and Afgans both welcome us with open arms!

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    Peter S. It was a mistake of momentous proportions for us to step a foot into Iraq.

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    Sara B.

    I am sorry you feel that way. Thousands of our men and women have lost their lives, for America. The same America that you live in, and are free to call your self an American.. My husband may not have had to go over there yet, but there is no reason why he couldn't get called up any day. Not only have the Iraqis and Afganis lost their lives too, but many have lost their lives, due to their own people. I am still going to take my stand tomorrow and take my moment of silence for my country and for my military men that have lost their lives......many kids who have lost their mommies or daddies..... not only our military men, but all those who helped try and help the day of that tragedy....how awful! Wish we could change your mind!

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    Matt S.

    First of all, before we go trashing "innocent Muslim fucks", let's remember Christians and secular Americans were not the only ones who died on 9/11. See this video: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/8175546/21693632 (9/11 happened to us all).
    
    Josh- chill it dude. Before you go spouting off about freedom and all that other useless rhetorical bullshit, let me remind you that-despite your effortless associations-Saddam Hussein did not have one thing, not one thing, to do with what happened on 9/11. Moreover, Iraqis, Afghans, the Taliban and al Qaeda never have and never will pose a threat to my freedom or constitutional rights. Ever.
    
    I served a tour in Iraq. I saw some fucked up shit. I did some fucked up shit. None of it had a god damn thing to do with Iraqi freedom, American freedom or democracy in either country. We, U.S. soldiers, systemically abused the Iraqi civilian population by enforcing a system of guilty until decided innocent by forcing ourselves into the homes of many Iraqis in the dead of night, destroying their homes-often without cause-taking any male of "fighting age" and detaining these men and boys for indefinite amounts of time. The treatment of Iraq civilians, abuse of detainees whom were not proven guilty by a jury of their peers and the murder of innocent Iraqis were some of the most unjust, undemocratic and utterly wrong acts I have ever witnessed in my life.
    
    America is a free country today not because of what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in spite of it.
    
    Look inward buddy. You have a lot of soul searching to do.

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    Sara S.

    So when did tomorrow become a day for remembering American soldiers? The only true innocent Americans who lost their lives were the civilians in the towers. Soldiers are not innocent civilians. No matter if they are yellow, black or white...people who voluntarily fight in wars are not innocent. Their children are innocent, and other members of their communities (for the most part). I don't care if your father is a terrorist or a U.S Army General, no one deserves to die because of their fathers "sins" and most certainly not because they are Muslim or Christian or whatever.

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    Sara S. Matt-- you are my hero. Seriously. Wish you lived closer so I could learn more from you and your experiences in Iraq and Washington

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    Matt S. Thanks buddy :) my door is always open for a visit!

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    Josh V. Matt, did you get your education from CNN as well? The radical Muslim networks hit America once, you guys just wanna stand by and let it happen again? There is a reason the nations cry out to the United States of America for help. There is a reason we are the largest super power in the world. Saddam? Really??? What happened to the Kurdish population which once thrived in central Iraq? I am proud to be one of the few with a backbone that volunteered to stand up to the threats of not only this great nation but the nations of others.

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    Eric Fridrich Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the point that Sara was attempting to express with this status is a frustration that she and I and many real Americans share. That is, for many in this country, 9/11 is not about remembering a horrific tragedy, but about fomenting hatred and bigotry (for example, Terry Jones' Quran BBQ). Such people have sullied the sanctity of this day, making it difficult for us true Americans to rally to the cause. This is a valid point she is making, and it is unfair to attack her for it.

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    Sara S. Josh-- you've mentioned "liberal" education a few times now. Where did you study?

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    Sara S. Eric: exactly. Thank you. I am protesting what "remembering" 9/11 has come to mean: bigotry, war, ignorance...the same mind set the terrorists had that committed the crime in the first place! "what do you think you'll solve with violence? It will only spread like a disease until it all comes around again" (sorry for the OTR quote, Eric).

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    Holly B

    uh. i believe josh got his education from his in-person experience in iraq. he's telling his own story.
    
    and yes, i do want us to not retaliate and stop giving terrorists more fuel for their fire. i Do want us to turn the other cheek. i Do want us to love our enemies. it's not easy, and it's not quick. but i want a solution, not revenge.

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    Matt S

    All right, this will be my last response. I only want to clarify a couple of things for you Josh.
    
    First, 9/11 was not the first or only time the United States had a run in with Islamists (a Muslim is a follower of Islam; an Islamists is a person that adheres to a fundamental interpretation of the Quran-for this, think of the Christian fundamentalists who blow up abortion clinics, it's very similar). There was the 1993 WTC bombing, the attach on the USS Cole, and some other small acts of aggression--none of which were a formidable threat to our 1 trillion dollar defense apparatus. I'm saying this to ask two questions: first, why were these attacks occurring (I can elaborate here but won't); and second, is the best response to rogue gorilla attacks two simultaneous major theater wars in two countries in which the inhabitance had nothing to do with said acts of aggression. That answer seems simple enough.
    
    Second, the Kurdish population never thrived in central Iraq. The Iraqi Kurds live in Northern Iraq. Kurds, an ethnic Sunni minority predominately located in Iraq, Iran and Turkey (thanks to the British Red Line agreement of 1928). I think your reference is to Saddam's use of chemical weapons against the Kurdish population in 1988. Saddam was armed by the U.S., French, British, and Russians, of course. His use of these weapons were reprehensible. That also had nothing to do with either the 1991 or 2003 invasions of Iraq nor 9/11.
    
    The fact is Saddam was a secular nationalist, meaning he should have been our best friend in the Middle East (and indeed at one point in time was just that). Saddam relied on his Generals to maintain power, which by every many indications was eroding after decades of intractable war. Saddam's generals would not have back his sons. Iraq would have, without the interference of the U.S., undergone its 4th political revolution in the last 100 years. Iraq did not need to lost upwards of 1 million civilians since 1991 due to U.S. policy toward Iraq, nor did it need 4 million refugees and 2 million internally displaced peoples.
    
    Lastly, Josh, that is not an education one gets from CNN; rather, one gets the above knowledge from comprehensively studying history. Your intelligence is far from superior, my friend, and your spine is surely of no different density than mine.

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    Justin M

    hey Sara.. thanks for putting up this post- and sorry for the lengthy response I am about to add to it..
    
    I couldn't agree more with the emotions you are feeling - frustration, anger, and disappointment in the way 9/11 has affected the culture of the US. Our very good friends lost their dad on 9/11, he was a firefighter in NYC, and it has changed their lives forever and I feel very deeply for their loss. I take that feeling and I imagine how many feel that way every day because of the action of the US military and suddenly I am shaken from my haze of pseudo-patriotism.
    
    On September 11 2001 a tragedy occurred in NYC... the bigger tragedy has been that we have learned nothing since that day about the way our foreign policy (our willful and arrogant exploitation of all the world's people and resources for our own benefit) has fueled the anger of so many against the US. I don't agree with the violent tactics of those who attack the US, but I can feel the anger of people who have been occupied, abused, and oppressed by the US and I know that if my children and neighbors were living under the tyranny of a foreign government I would oppose that tyranny (and I pray that I would do so nonviolently.)
    
    9/11/2001 is over. People died. We mourned their death. We had a chance to respond to the world in a new and unprecedented way - think of the sympathy and aid that rolled in from countries around the world. Why couldn't we find it within ourselves to swallow our pride and respond with forgiveness, compassion, and love? We might have stood a chance at changing this world for the better.
    
    Until we recognize how many "9/11-type incidents" we are responsible for everyday around the world and move to change that pattern we are hypocrites. We are hypocrites to mourn our own losses with one hand and inflict the same loss upon countless people with the other.
    
    @Josh My right to speak my mind is my own and I do not derive it from those who would use violence in my name under the pretense of protecting my freedoms.

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    Justin M also @Josh I want to recognize that you are speaking here from your experience and I respect that, though I may not agree with your views. I am hopeful that as a nation we can come to use conversation and dialogue such as this to address more of the problems around the world that we currently seek to rectify with violence.

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    J.p. S if the guarantee of my freedom requires the murder of human beings, then I respectfully wish to relinquish my rights.

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